The Oracle told Neo that he was not The One, but that he had potential.
Trinity says after Neo dies that the Oracle said that the man she loved would be The One. She then says Neo can’t be dead because she loves him implying he is The One.
My question is, was he The One before that moment? Or did Trinity have a larger part in this process than I previously thought before. Does this mean that she ultimately decided his fate as The One because she loved him, or did she love him because he was The One?
It’s like the chicken and the egg and I find it symbolic of love itself and how many times it takes someone seeing the potential within you and through that recognition they inspire your personal growth even further, and I found it sweet. But also somewhat unsettling as this also implies Trinity was one of the most powerful influences in the trilogy, and it makes me wonder if she had the power to fall in love with someone else, would that person be the One instead of Keanu ?
ndphillips: It’s a good question but one, ultimately, that I doubt can be answered.
The scene where the Oracle says “Don’t worry about the vase,” causing Neo to turn and knock it over is another such scene. The Oracle even notes this by saying “What’ll really cook your noodle later is asking whether you would’ve knocked it over had I not said anything.”
When it comes to seeing the future, time-traveling, etc. there are paradoxes (either real or apparent) that are difficult to work out; this is compounded when they occur in fictional worlds whose parameters can be a bit more malleable than reality.
At one point, the Oracle says “What happened was what was always going to happen,” and I think that’s the correct view of things. The grandfather paradox says that changes in time are fixed, so going back in time to change something will only result in the same thing that lead you to try to go back and change it.
So, I don’t think it’s the definitive cause.
However, what does Trinity/Morpheus say about what the Oracle tells people? That she tells them exactly what they needed to hear.
Viewers often forget that Morpheus is seen as a bit of a cult leader; his views are pretty eccentric. I can imagine that Trinity, his most devoted aide, would be wary to fall in love and allow that to, possibly, distract from her duty to Morpheus. With the Oracle’s “fortune,” she’s effectively given leeway to give herself over to Neo.
That’s not to say it’s the genesis of it. I think it’s pretty clear (and Carrie-Anne Moss does well to show it) that there is chemistry between them from early on. But I think it’s what solidifies it in her mind.
There’s a whole other avenue that could be opened up re: choice in the films, but that’s a **much** longer discussion.
Love those movies. (Yes, I’ll even defend the sequels. Come at me.)
mrthewhite: The Oracle, or someone says later on that the Oracle only told him he wasn’t the one because that’s what he needed to hear at the time in order to succeed.
Basically she lied to him so he wouldn’t feel so much pressure and fail because of it.
He was and is the one, through out the whole movie(s).
The architect says at the very end that he was created to fulfill this role from the start and there were multiple others in past generations who were created for the same purpose.
KubrickIsMyCopilot: > Does this mean that she ultimate decided his fate as The One because she loved him, or did she love him because he was The One?
Interesting thought. The Matrix does play quite a lot with ideas of paradox, self-fulfilling prophecy, and reversal of cause and effect.
It’s unlikely the Wachowskis were aiming for any kind of coherent treatise on the subject in the way that a more elitist movie might have, they just liked throwing such elements into the mix because it sounds cool.
A movie that works really well as a comparison is Cloud Atlas. It sort of does the exact opposite, and hides deep messages within a lot of confusingly mundane things, whereas The Matrix used philosophical language as a kind of prop without intending to fully pursue it.
Still a top-notch movie though. Certainly deserved better sequels than it got.
Raithed: Agent Smith is truly the one.
tilfordkage: Maybe his death served as a “hard reset” of sorts, allowing him to update to The One. It would keep with the technology driven themes of the movie.
Bbhmh: After seeing that film theory video about agent smith being the One, it makes your point quite interesting. It’s almost as if Neo and Trinity’s love is just for them and as no external factors to decide it. Or she decides to love him to make Neo the One in hers and everyone’s image so they can finally have a savior. Some intense blind love placebo effect.
This might interest you. Not what you’re saying but another approach.
rattatally: He was always The One. The Oracle is basically a computer program that calculates future events. She has enough information (presumably also about Trinity’s time in the Matrix) that she could predict that Neo would be the person she falls in love with.
ArmanDoesStuff: Didn’t they see all the other timelines in Reloaded.
All the Ones were Neo.
kingcheezit: Have we found out how Cipher got into the matrix to meet up with Smith and betray the crew with nobody knowing yet?
He physically couldn’t hook himself into the machine, and he couldn’t be in there without tank or dozers knowing.